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Old 02-25-2008, 07:02 AM
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Default Need advice on this scenario

Hello,
This is a scenario that happens alot to me. I'll have two pair and my opponent will be on a flush draw. Example: I have Qd 5h. Opponent has Kc 3c.
Flop comes:Qc 10h 5c. I go all in to protect my hand. Opponent calls on a draw and sure enough another club comes on the river and he takes the pot along with all my money. My bankroll can't take to many more of these beats.

So I'm thinking in this situation from now on, I should just bet the pot. Then if I get called and I think I'm still ahead on the turn I should bet half the pot.
Then if I get called again and there is three to a suit or a scare card I should just check. Then if my opponent makes a big bet I will fold. Yes I took a hit this way but at least I didn't lose my whole stack.

Any advice is appreciated.
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Old 02-26-2008, 01:24 PM
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Hey there!

Yeah always nasty when that happens. How much money was in the pot, and for how much more you went all-in, And you're opponent's Stack-size is also of importance in such a scenario. Example:

Pre-flop pot= $3.20
On Flop you go all-in for= $4.00
Opponent has $1.10 left, (so you're $4.00 raise is only a $1.10 call to him.)
$3.20+$1.10=$4.30 That's about a 4-to-1 Call for your opponent who has 9 outs x4 = 36% To hit
100/5=Break-even= 20% Conclusion: [Good Call]

Just to point that aspect out to you But We'll just consider that you are both Deep Stacked in such a situation.

There is indeed not really a reason to push All-in in my opinion at least. You can make a bet of about 75%-100%. If you pick the pot up now, FINE. If he calls you're even happier because he made a mistake. Besides.... if you're very certain he's on a flush-draw. You're not going to pay him of if another Club comes up right?

Also I don't see why you should bet just half-pot on the Turn (if the Turn-card unlikely improved his hand.)
If he is a bad enough player to call a Pot-bet or 2/3 pot-bet just make another one. His mistake will be bigger and you're gains will be larger. Because like you said yourself you're not gonna pay him if another club come up.

Hope this is usefull to you, if not just post
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:16 PM
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Good advice. Yeah, our chip stacks were about even. I don't remember the exact amounts but i was probably giving him about 1.1 to 1 odds. He was making a mistake calling.
Your advice makes sense. I'm definitly NOT going to pay him off if he hits!
Thank you.
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Old 06-13-2008, 03:50 PM
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ok i have had this problem before in the past and i still have some today but not as much. when i started to ask some professional poker players how they avoid this situation they have all said the same thing. when you are playing against a player that will risk his/her money on a draw it is better to get all your money in on the turn (given the draw don't hit) because the player that will call all in on the flop thinks differently then we do and think "well i have two cards to hit my draw" and if you push on the turn instead they are more likely to fold because they think "only one more card i better fold". this has saved me a lot of money because i used to do the same thing as you and get called every time and more than not they would hit their draw and i would lose lots of chips. anyways it seemed to help me and i hope it will help you.

Cheers
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Old 02-12-2009, 11:10 AM
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When a situation like this arises I first think about the player I am playing against. If he is a player that likes to play suited cards i like to bet the pot on the flop. If he calls on the turn I will bet the pot again. If he calls and the flush card hits I will check to see what he does if he bets it depends on how much he bets wether i call or not. if the is $10 in the pot at this point and he bets $1 and i have 2 pair i will call because of the odds im getting. However if he bets big I fold. If the river misses I make a value bet in hopes of him calling with nothing or a pair with the draw. This way I am not commiting my chips and at the same time making a profit. I dont really like the going all in on turn because 1. I always want to be able to get away from the hand if the draw hits 2. I want him to call and not fold because the odds are in my favor. You have to realize that they will hit their flush every now and then but my making bets in your favor and them calling you will make more money than you will lose using this strategy. Hope this helps
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Old 01-03-2010, 04:24 AM
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If i am having a 2 pairs or hit a set on the flop and there is a flush draw possibility,i would go all in and take down e pot. You would be amazed that some players would call u hoping to catch the holy flush draw. In the long run,this kind of play would only be benefical to your bankroll because when u go all in at flop,anyone who call u is nt getting e proper odds,putting a pot bet is only giving him a chance to c e turn,a fish will just call you anyway,only an allin can scared them off. You will take down many smalls pot and make them pay if their stack to chase e draw
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