did he have odds for it??

[chrumec]

PokerStars Game #8608957038: Tournament #43838342, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/02/24 - 21:47:38 (ET)
Table '43838342 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: duncanwhisk (2940 in chips)
Seat 6: Donny5791 (5150 in chips)
Seat 7: dbl dobe (1960 in chips)
Seat 9: chrumec (3450 in chips)
duncanwhisk: posts small blind 100
Donny5791: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrumec [Jd Jh]
dbl dobe: folds
chrumec: raises 550 to 750
duncanwhisk: folds
Donny5791: calls 550
*** FLOP *** [7d 2c 4h]
Donny5791: bets 1200
chrumec: raises 1500 to 2700 and is all-in
Donny5791: calls 1500
*** TURN *** [7d 2c 4h] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [7d 2c 4h 4c] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Donny5791: shows [3c Ac] (a straight flush, Ace to Five)
chrumec: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
Donny5791 collected 7000 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7000 | Rake 0
Board [7d 2c 4h 4c 5c]
Seat 2: duncanwhisk (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Donny5791 (big blind) showed [3c Ac] and won (7000) with a straight flush, Ace to Five
Seat 7: dbl dobe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: chrumec (button) showed [Jd Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fours

[The Professor]

First of all it was a pretty loose call before the flop with A-3 clubs after you had raised.

He's missed the flop, and has taken a stab at the pot to try and bluff it. The mistake here that he has made is that once he has made this bet he is pretty much committed to the pot.

At the most he has 7 outs (Four x 5's + Three x Aces) excluding the backdoor flush potential.

You have re-raised all in meaning he only has to call another 1,200 into a pot of 4,200 - thats about 3.5 to 1 pot odds.

With 7 outs after the flop, he's got about 28% chance of hitting which means he needs pot odds of about 2.5 to 1.

So even though he knows he is beat at the flop stage he's probably made a reasonable decision here to call you.

But you were very unlucky to lose the hand.

[chrumec]

doesn't he have to make call of 1500 into pot of 5500??
1600 preflop 1200 his bet 2700 my reraise

[The Professor]

Yes you are right - my apoligies I read your post very quick.

He's still getting around the 3.5 to 1 pot odds though, so the logic is the same.

[chrumec]

would it be better then just call his raise and if turn hits blank (no club in this scenario) he might check and i would go all in for 1700 it makes him call it into pot of 5700 so he don't get the right odds to call??

[Deuces]

I think at the end of the day someone that plays A3 the way he did doesnt really care about pot odds and you want him calling anyway since he was the worst hand :)

Get your chips in ahead and you cant really do much more, dont mull over this beat for too long because you are going to receive many more.

Even with this 1700 into 5700 is still about 3/1 i think not to sure could be closer to 3.5/1 I'd wait for profs reply :) or go into his pot odds part of his guide

[Smyler]

Mate, these things happen, I was called all in with JJ preflop, the guy had A8 off suit and caught two more 8s on the table, not much you can do against idiots with aces, sometimes they get lucky....

[chrumec]

i'm ok with that i'm getting used to these bad beats it happens quite often to me i'm just trying to figure out what would be best play there

[Deuces]

Personally i think you played it the best way, you managed to get all of his chips in when he was behind, what more can you ask for?!?!

If you had seen turn and river before pushing would you have pushed anyways... i think on turn i woulda, on river its harder but dont think it coulda lasted that long, If you see turn he is pushing to bluff if that was his plan all along or he's checking and you dont know whether he has setted or not.

I think you played it right, but lady luck was having it :D