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[chrumec]

PokerStars Game #8435875654: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/02/14 - 09:39:54 (ET)
Table 'Galanthus' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: ReizerM ($24.10 in chips)
Seat 2: AlexanderT ($27.25 in chips)
Seat 3: VeganXXX ($21.35 in chips)
Seat 4: jancsi321 ($15.45 in chips)
Seat 5: chrumec ($31.95 in chips)
Seat 6: M4ST0R ($25.10 in chips)
Seat 7: static04 ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: peconi ($24.85 in chips)
Seat 9: Starduck40 ($3.60 in chips)
ReizerM: posts small blind $0.10
AlexanderT: posts big blind $0.25
static04: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrumec [Kd Ah]
VeganXXX: folds
jancsi321: calls $0.25
chrumec: raises $0.75 to $1
M4ST0R: folds
static04: calls $0.75
peconi: folds
Starduck40: folds
ReizerM: folds
AlexanderT: folds
jancsi321: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [5c Ac Kc]
jancsi321: bets $2
chrumec: raises $2 to $4
static04: raises $20 to $24 and is all-in
jancsi321: calls $12.45 and is all-in
chrumec: folds
*** TURN *** [5c Ac Kc] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [5c Ac Kc Ad] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jancsi321: shows [Js Qc] (a pair of Aces)
static04: shows [5d As] (a full house, Aces full of Fives)
static04 collected $34.45 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36.25 | Rake $1.80
Board [5c Ac Kc Ad 3s]
Seat 1: ReizerM (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: AlexanderT (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: VeganXXX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jancsi321 showed [Js Qc] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: chrumec folded on the Flop
Seat 6: M4ST0R folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: static04 showed [5d As] and won ($34.45) with a full house, Aces full of Fives
Seat 8: peconi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Starduck40 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

tough fold but i think right one or not....??

[Smyler]

Brave to lay down 2 pair with AK, not sure i would have been able to... can only say good call.

I think it would depend alot on how much you knew about the guy who went all in. With AK on the board and a potential flush there already it's hellava bluff, but bearing in mind he called your preflop raise it would make more sense to put him on a high pair, or A + decent kicker. This is the problem with low stakes games though, many players with T9s (or worse) would call a pre-flop raise, and then you're in all sorts of trouble.

Basically neither of these guys should have seen the flop. And on balance, I would have called. But I still salute you for laying it down. I've lost more from falling in love with my hand than anything else.

[chrumec]

that's the thing he just sat down it was his first hand
what scared me there was the first guy he bets then call second rr and in the end showed complete crap

[Smyler]

If he had raised you rather than gone all in you would have called, i assume, so i guess you have to hand it to him, and say he had balls. From his point of view, you either probably had a high pair or AK, neither of which could have given you the flush, though you might have a draw with QQ or lower. He had 2 pair with the A5 so he figured to represent the flush and scared you off, knowing that he was in a good position.

On the oher hand hemight have though he was actually winning and was just dumb... without seeing him play it would be hard to know, and as you say, it was his first hand.

At least you didnt lose much

[The Professor]

It's actually a tough situation.

With the way that hand had worked out, I would be pretty confident that I had the best hand after the flop. With the action before the flop I would have put my opponents on either high cards, or a pocket pair.

If they had a pocket pair, then it is unlikely they have hit a set unless they hold pocket 5's which again you would think unlikely to call raises pre-flop with 5's, and the chances of them holding pocket aces or kings is much reduced due to the flop and the cards you are holding.

Now if they had high cards such as AK, AQ, AJ, or even AT then they would be making this sort of play by moving all in or putting a big bet in to protect their top pair against the flush draw.

Actually it is very unlikely from the betting patterns that they have hit the flush already, but it is also likely that at least one of the opponents has a flush draw.

So this is the sole reason that I may decide to lay down this hand.

Like I said I'm pretty confident that at this moment in time, I am in the lead, but I am also pretty confident that if I commit to this hand that there is a 30% chance I will lose the hand to a flush draw.

So in your hand from quickly calculating things, it seems after all the raises after the flop there is about $43 in the pot, and you need to call a further $20 to stay in. So you are getting about 2 to 1 in this situation.

I have to say I would probably call in this situation due to the odds I am getting. With 2 to 1 pot odds that is a Break Even percentage of about 30% ish and by my reckoning above I would say I am about 60% to 70% to actually win this hand.

So you are taking a gamble by calling this, and of course there is a chance that you are not in as good of position that you think you are if your opponent has a set (Pocket Aces/Kings/Fives) or has already hit his flush (unlikely with betting patterns) or maybe has an even better draw such as J-Q with a club so has a straight and a flush draw, but the odds say that you are getting the right price to call.

[OdinUK]

Personally i think its a very good fold, you had to call $20 to win $46 but best case scenario you are about 55% or so to win the pot, and worst case you are drawing to 4 or less outs needing a full house.

For there to be that much action on a board with that many draws possible two pair isnt a big favourite over much.

As it turned out you was in pretty good shape when the hands were revealed but you was still practically racing in order to win the pot. Static only had 2 outs in order to beat you with the 2 fives.
Jancsi had 9 outs for the flush draw, and and further 3 for the non club str8 draw giving him 12 outs, Add that to the 2 you already need to dodge and theres 14 bad cards for you. (which means one at least of them will improve 51% of the time)

Either player could of easily called preflop with 55 and would push a flop like this very hard with them if they have any sense, this would leave you drawing to 4 outs. (if both aces and kings are still in the deck)

Again both could easily have some SuitedConnecters such as 9c10c which people play to almost any raise at these limits, not including the people who play any 2 suited cards like Qc3c.
Looking at the play i think its a bit unlikely thats static has flopped a flush with such a big raise, he could have but i wouldnt expect such a big raise when you want a caller. But when Jansci calls i would be worried about his hand. He has bet out just under the pot size, been faced with a raise and a re-raise all in and the called off the rest of his chips, This must surely mean a pretty big hand.


Most of the time in this position with this betting i think you are behind to either 55 / flopped flush in my opinion and the times that you arent behind you are flipping a coin. The pot odds would obviously be correct to call for the coin flips, but the times you are behind you are in very bad shape.